ARS ReInvented seems more like ARS ReCycled.

[Ron Bennett]

Am I seeing things or are the ARS promoted sites now using Paycom? Not sure that's good...?

And really, still using sneaky cross-sells...why do I get the feeling ARS ReInvented is more like ARS ReCycled! :lol:

On the bright side, I like the $30/flat payout - and it's console-free :)

Ron

[PHPslave]

If you are sending traffic to the revshare program, you will also receive a commission on the cross sale!

You receive $0.60 commission on the $1 auto opt-in xsell trial.
You ALSO receive $12 each time that member rebills. This for the entire life of the member, no refunds or chargebacks are taken out of the rev share program.

[Phantom]

On the bright side, I like the $30/flat payout - and it's console-free :)

Ron

thats if you do 200 signups or more per week.

base persign up is $25

check the payscale at http://www.ars4real.com/program.php

the revshare seems alot more attractive to me, maybes thats why its steup like that, to encourage revshare

[Lee]

Phantom,

As well as revshare being more favorable to you, i think many webmasters forget that revshare is probably one of, if not, the most profitable paysite model for EVERYONE invloved.

If you send a surfer who doesnt recurr you stand to lose just as much as the paysite owner in much the same way that if you send a surfer who recurs for months its a win-win situation for all :)

Ive been sending more and more of my own traffic to specific revshare affiliate program over the last 8 months and have to say im liking the results im seeing very much, i would rather make $15 every month for 3-6 months from a revshare than a one off $45 PPS anyday :)

Regards,

Lee

[Ron Bennett]

On the bright side, I like the $30/flat payout - and it's console-free :)

Ron

thats if you do 200 signups or more per week.

base persign up is $25

check the payscale at http://www.ars4real.com/program.php

the revshare seems alot more attractive to me, maybes thats why its steup like that, to encourage revshare

Opps...didn't see that part :(

On a related topic, ARS has become way too confusing...took me ages after posting my previous message to find my way back here...and I'm 100% sober...or is that the problem :?: :idea:

And lastly, not sure if folks saw #8 in the C.H.A.M.P.S. (BOYT2)...it's a real gem LOL!

Webmasters can buy points with money. Each point costs 50 cents.

Why does network marketing come to mind...webmasters paying to send traffic...is ARS planning to go up against Quixtar (Amway) LOL!

Ron

[Ron Bennett]

If you are sending traffic to the revshare program, you will also receive a commission on the cross sale!

You receive $0.60 commission on the $1 auto opt-in xsell trial.
You ALSO receive $12 each time that member rebills. This for the entire life of the member, no refunds or chargebacks are taken out of the rev share program.

ARS had a revenue sharing program for a short time about 2 years ago...lasted like a month and then was discontinued ... from what I recall, one of the main reasons was technical problems with iBill ... they couldn't easily track rebills from individual webmasters.

My main problem with revenue sharing is tracking...also how can one be sure that folks aren't encouraged to switch to a discounted paysite in which webmasters get nothing...

For example, the following could happen - seen similar crap pulled elsewhere...

1. Webmaster gets a trial signup and is paid $1, $3, or whatever.

2. Webmaster sees the person is canceled (assuming such tracking is available to webmasters) and gets nothing more...and figures oh well, "the person didn't like it or whatever".

3. In the meantime, the paysite customer IS still a member...woah...say what...yes, what some recur sponsors do is shift members out to another program that pays nothing to the original webmaster that referred the customer...and that's probably legal!

Probably not being that clear above...but oldtimers understand what I'm talking about...so it comes down to trust and the bottom line as always...ok, I accept that, but I also remember the last time ARS had a go with a revenue sharing program and what happened - also been burnt (for smalltime money) in some other revenue sharing programs...True Cash comes to mind.

Ron

[jayeff]

As well as revshare being more favorable to you, i think many webmasters forget that revshare is probably one of, if not, the most profitable paysite model for EVERYONE invloved.

That's a very misleading statement. There is nothing inherent in revshare that makes it any more or less profitable for either party than pay-per-sale: actual results depend on the amounts involved, the split, and of course member retention rates.

Just because a program offers revshare, whether solely or as an option, does not mean its operator will succeed in getting good retention. In fact, while I'm not suggesting for a moment that it is the case here, it isn't even a guarantee that the program operator has any interest in good retention.

I'm a fan of revshare, but that said, in almost 8 years I have only found 2-3 dozen sites that renew well enough for it to be the best option for their affiliates. Those sites are my most consistent earners, but they are a tiny minority when you consider there are 5,000+ sites in sponsors' programs.

So despite my liking for revshare, I'm extremely unlikely to go for it with unproven sites. Nor am I encouraged that these are "reality" sites. I hope they may prove to be among the few exceptions, but to date while such sites are often good at generating sales for a while, most - I guess because the reality (excuse the pun) doesn't live up to the curiosity factor - haven't retained well.

[basschick]

most epoch sites pay $15 for cross sales, $18 for volume.

[Lee]

As well as revshare being more favorable to you, i think many webmasters forget that revshare is probably one of, if not, the most profitable paysite model for EVERYONE invloved.

That's a very misleading statement. There is nothing inherent in revshare that makes it any more or less profitable for either party than pay-per-sale: actual results depend on the amounts involved, the split, and of course member retention rates.

Perhaps if you didnt cut off the post mid flow it wouldnt seem so misleading to you ;)


If you send a surfer who doesnt recurr you stand to lose just as much as the paysite owner in much the same way that if you send a surfer who recurs for months its a win-win situation for all


Regards,

Lee

[jayeff]

If you send a surfer who doesnt recurr you stand to lose just as much as the paysite owner in much the same way that if you send a surfer who recurs for months its a win-win situation for all


I didn't miss that the first time and I said much the same thing myself: which is surely an admission that revshare can be bad or good (at least for the affiliate). Really no big deal, I just thought that was at odds with your very clear statement that "revshare is probably one of, if not, the most profitable paysite model for EVERYONE invloved".