I guess ARS did it again

[Keyser Soze]

Dropped the ball that is.

Timing is terrible we have 10 sites to promote for the next 5 weeks untill Champs starts those 10 sites we can promote as partner ship which would be a very very bad idea the member areas consists right now of 10 episodes each with 6-10 streaming videos and nothing else. No feeds, no pics nothing.

I give the free content for the current sites 4 weeks before its banned on every tgp and linklist there is. Just like nastydollars, oxcash and what else they are called. So selling these sites is going to be hard if you rely on submissions.

I am shocked over what I have seen if champs had been in place and ready to go now it wouldn´t have been a problem there would have been a lot of sites to promote but now we have nothing.
Champs should have been in place instead paysite promotion thru ARS is dead I talked with several people and they are pulling links cause there is no niches left and when links are pulled its hard work to get people to put them back up and this will affect champs since people will have lost trust in ARS.

I laughed when I saw someone post on this on gfy "I think it is time to cover this "dinosaur" with dirt. It is dead, and it is really starting to smell BAD" before the launch and thought it just was sour grapes now I am starting to think he was right.

I had hoped for a partnership program where the surfer was marked for life to the webmaster that brought him in, every upsell, every cross sell, every offer he gets when he tries to cancel would be split 50/50 or 60/40 now that would be reinvention. A true partnership where the surfer is bleeded dry for every penny and its shared between program and webmaster.

I came into this with an open mind I was very positive and had said to myself I would be positive no matter how bad it would be but I hadn´t imagined it would be this bad not in my wildest dreams.

I am shocked I always said if one were left standing it would be ARS I guess I was wrong. I think I just witnessed the death of ARS.


BTW please remove the dialer box asking me to download the dialer on the joinpage. with filter off, dialer on joinpage on.

[paulhem]

I agree 100%

ARS - You really need to delay the dumping of the GIM sites until you have something here to sell.

13 days to go.....

[AAnnAArchy]

Oh, and what's happening to the GIM sites? Is someone else taking them over?

[Horny Guy]

Im with that !!
Give us a month or more to get most of our links changed over , there is no time given here and we had no idea that there would be such little to promote :mgun:

[Marc De]

We won't die - not even close... We're already getting a bunch of traffic to the ARS 4 Real sites and its converting at 1:400 overall (almost 3 times better than the old sites).

The recurring model in ARS 4 Real does give revshare on EVERYTHING Keyser. You get the cross sell and the main sale. There are ZERO upsells to get and if the customer stays when they try to cancel, you get 60% of that all the way through!

The comment from our disgruntled ex employee is everything I would expect from that individual. But, ya know what, he's right. The dinosaur is dead and that is why we're burying it. This is the NEW ARS. If you expected the same thing as the old ARS you were sadly mistaken. If your point of view is "this is nothing like the old ARS" well then I guess I accomplished what I set forward to do.

The timing of this was ALL delicately set in place and have many reasons behind it. The biggest, we were LOSING our ass because I will NOT shave our webmasters. I don't believe in playing with the numbers and in the next 2 weeks ALONE of leaving the old links up I will lose $350,000. Yes, $350,000. How many other programs would do that?

ARS RI has so much potential and so many more ways to monetize traffic its hands down better than the dinosaur ARS. However, it is not 100% complete and yes, it is going to take a bit for it to fully flesh out. None the less, we're committed to our webmasters, always have been, always will be!

[LadyB]

I really hate to say it.. but I have to agree with most of what has been posted. :( After taking my time and looking through everything as carefully as I could, including reading answers to some questions here on the board, I'll be too busy for awhile changing out over 4 years worth of links to promote the few sites that are offered now. :(

I don't know.. I guess I get the feeling that FMAO is being shoved down our throats (for lack of a better phrase), and I don't like it. When I feel like this it just makes me not want to send any traffic to it. : /

Pulling the plug on all GIM links and only giving us these 10 sites to promote until champs is ready is a mistake in my opinion. If you are like me, and don't want to send your traffic to FMAO then you have only 2 options.. promote only the 10 sites that are available, or move your traffic elsewhere. :(

[cosis]

We won't die - not even close... We're already getting a bunch of traffic to the ARS 4 Real sites and its converting at 1:400 overall (almost 3 times better than the old sites)

I just do not see how these sites can retain with the current members areas I just looked at......

[basschick]

there are no pics in the member areas, no extras. the movies don't play for as many people as the gim ones did.

add to that a lower payout and no niches... i was hoping for great things from ars - even better than the old stuff. i have gay, granny and shemale traffic. not even a chance of making a sale in those niches :-(

[Keyser Soze]

I didn´t know the full info on partnership but I´m happy to see that we get a slice of everything but how about adding upsells to healthstop , software, loveatfirstclick, HSN and the rest of the many programs that are availiable thru ARS on a 50/50 basis? No reason for Joe Surfer to see an ad for a different program and spending money there.

From his posts I´ve seen I can see it probably didn´t end happily.

I didn´t know it was that bad with the old sites and I understand the need for change. I guess the change took us all by surprise.
I know ARS has a NO shave policy thats why I am here.

Maybe in a couple of days when everything has sunk in I´ll look at the new stuff and like it.

[APD]

Those are the backup members areas!!

I've already posted this.

You will see the full on members areas tomorrow! We had a problem prior to launch and had to upload the backup members areas in the meantime.

And yes they include pics and other awesome goodies for the MEMBERS!!

[paulhem]

Marc...

We know you are the expert in adult biz..... maybe it would help us understand if you explained which parts were so unprofitable?

If it was Byot.....shut that down only.......HSn......kill that!! GIM....lose it!

Are u saying that all of the old ARS options were unprofitable?

Im all for change if it works.....if u look at my stats u can see a big increase in traffic (for me anyway).....i did this in the anticipation of something great here........i didnt let the doubters put me off.....i argued and listened and bitched and listened more and was convinced all will be ok.


Im sure it will be good given time......but its patently not ready yet and i cant see it being a viable alternative for most of us with only 13 days to go.

Give us a carrot please?

im fine with the payout scales/the recurring/the new look board/rewards etc etc........but there is simply not enough niches for us here.

So unless this PPC thing is amazing most of us will have to move or build totally new sites which takes a lot of time.

Please dont jump on anyone for these criticisms........ we all can lose money here.....not just ARS.....we ARE trying to work with you.

[APD]

Dropped the ball that is.


I give the free content for the current sites 4 weeks before its banned on every tgp and linklist there is. Just like nastydollars, oxcash and what else they are called. So selling these sites is going to be hard if you rely on submissions..

With new movie clips, pics and trailers being added to the promo section every week, with every new episode on every site.

I know it will not be hard to promote these sites at all.

[LadyB]

Marc...

Please dont jump on anyone for these criticisms........ we all can lose money here.....not just ARS.....we ARE trying to work with you.

Yes I agree with paulhem! I certainly wasn't bashing ARS with any of my comments either.. just want to explain how I was feeling, and I appreciate Marc giving us the opportunity to do so.

ASD - That's very good to know about the members areas.

[Keyser Soze]

Dropped the ball that is.


I give the free content for the current sites 4 weeks before its banned on every tgp and linklist there is. Just like nastydollars, oxcash and what else they are called. So selling these sites is going to be hard if you rely on submissions..

With new movie clips, pics and trailers being added to the promo section every week, with every new episode on every site.

I know it will not be hard to promote these sites at all.

The problem is 100 webmasters getting the same clips and submitting them. TGP owners will just ban galleries using this content instead of having to look thru it.
Its hard to offer free content for reality sites because there is only so much and its very quickly over exposed.

[AAnnAArchy]

Oh, and what's happening to the GIM sites? Is someone else taking them over?


???

I can't promote any of the new sites. I don't promote women as stupid whores, so that pretty much leaves me out in the cold.

[abshard]

I don't promote women as stupid whores, so that pretty much leaves me out in the cold.

LOL

[Marc De]

Keyser - so be one of the first to submit them and make a killing! :)

I know this is a shock to most of you and you may lessne the amount of business you do with us, if that is the case I'm sorry but I know we'll win you over with our other stuff.

FMAO is an amazing product. It truly is, but because its so new and different most people don't look at it and dont' understand it. Wait and see :) Its final stage is NOT what you see today.

On that note, we know we can achieve 4000-5000 sign ups / day with ARS 4 Real alone. For everyone that may lessen the amount of business they do with us now, there is 10 who may start. When ARS RI is in its final stage there will be a way to convert ANY and ALL traffic within ARS RI. CHAMPS, FMAO (again the overlooked gem right now), ARS 4 Real, Ad Rev Service (mainstream) will give a complete spectrum of ways to make money with us.

If anger and frustration of the DRASTIC change are clouding view and judgements now, I understand. However, realize there are lots of ways to sell what we have with ARS 4 Real alone.

Now with FMAO, imgaine, you can send unfiltered, keyword targetted traffic (based upon your traffic base) to a list of links and banners that you get paid per click. The most competitive and competent traffic monetizers will be bidding and competing for those clicks driving the value up and up. You'll get paid on 100% of the links on that site. You can send to categories or specific keywords. You don't have to worry about conversions / sales / rebills / etc... Just send clicks, get paid, send more clicks :)

[basschick]

marc - there was another program that tried having webmasters send clicks to an adult search engine. hopefully you will be more successful - theirs went under. too many low paying terms.

APD - i successfully earn my living through many programs, and every single hit i send it to a niche. and will continue to be. i know the marketing, the trigger phrases, even the colors that sell those niches. i'm happy marketing them.

hopefully the new ars will add some more niches - i don't promote it but how can you not offer teen?

[LadyB]

Well this comment..
For everyone that may lessen the amount of business they do with us now, there is 10 who may start.

just totally rubbed me the wrong way. :-?

Maybe I just tired and grumpy and will see it differently tomorrow.

goodnight

[poorboy]

I totally agree with Paul.
I feel like I am being forced to pull 90% of my ARS links, just because I don't want to send my SE niche specific traffic to that PPC For Mature Audiences Only. Would mabey be fine if I relied on heavy hits tpg traffic.
But I target on way smaller traffic, that will make almost nothing on that.
I might bitch alot, but that's just part of my personality. I love ARS and wanna do anything I can to continue and flourish with ARS.
I guess I need advice. If all the byot's were ready I would put my niche specific stuff there. Mabey I'll get to rought the traffic to that package site after you cut off my links? I'll try that.
Having my traffic go to FMAO is not an option for me.
I'm gonna get some sleep and read this some more, and hope I can do what is best. I'm not excited either about changing years of stuff, but can probably do most in about a week. Promoting the new sites would have to mostly involve new promo sites and creations.:cry:


PoorBoy

[vidsweb]

ARS - You really need to delay the dumping of the GIM sites until you have something here to sell.

[Marc De]

we have something to sell

PPC SE and 10 (which will be 12-14) Reality Sites

I believe there will be plenty for us to sell...

[poorboy]

Mark, your biggest seller was by far sites built around the Movie Specialty theme?? Where is that? Was it that they were bad for profit? Alot of wm are in same boat as me with that. I know the reality sites have movies, but not the same total emphasis on it being a movie site.


PoorBoy

[Tickler]

we have something to sell
PPC SE and 10 (which will be 12-14) Reality Sites


Reality sites I will have to wait and see how well they convert.

For those WMs that can convert at less than 1:100 on niche traffic, I can't really see FMAO being an option.

You will have to get it up to 40-50 cents per hit to compensate for lost sales, not 02-03 cents for a click through.

[Fobiax]

For everyone that may lessen the amount of business they do with us now, there is 10 who may start.

I cant help but feel somewhat expendable here... :(


Fobiax

[taarna27]

Marc, you need to leave your God complex at home for once OK! How in the world do you expect surfers to pay for that crap? How do you expect us to promote that junk? Are you even listening to yourself talk? Can you imagine McDonalds coming one day out of the blue and just changing their menu to nothing but fries and cheeseburgers? I don't care how much "great stuff" may be coming down the road, I wouldn't eat there, and I sure as hell wouldn't work there.

Seriously, anybody that's left at ARS, buy him out, fire him, do what you gotta do but get rid of Marc. If he's gotta sell us on this shit, then how good is it? If you have to use smoke and mirrors just to string people along for a few more weeks then you're just full of it. You got it all wrong Marc, you killed the wrong dinosaur. It wasn't ARS, it's you!

[chilihost]

Just one gay site and the tour is littered with f-ugly guys. Nasty!


cheers,

Luke

[Cyphix]

Oh, and what's happening to the GIM sites? Is someone else taking them over?


???

I can't promote any of the new sites. I don't promote women as stupid whores, so that pretty much leaves me out in the cold.

I prefer to promote niches too.... guess we can say goodbye to our reward points! :roll:

[Cyphix]

You can forget about draining your reward points now to avoid this as the rewards store is CLOSED for 2 months!

How convieniently timed that was! :roll:

[Toolz]

Dropped the ball that is.


I give the free content for the current sites 4 weeks before its banned on every tgp and linklist there is. Just like nastydollars, oxcash and what else they are called. So selling these sites is going to be hard if you rely on submissions..

With new movie clips, pics and trailers being added to the promo section every week, with every new episode on every site.

I know it will not be hard to promote these sites at all.

The problem is 100 webmasters getting the same clips and submitting them. TGP owners will just ban galleries using this content instead of having to look thru it.
Its hard to offer free content for reality sites because there is only so much and its very quickly over exposed.

Okay and what would you rather have us do? Not offer the content? I guess I can't see your reasoning here, because everyone will use something we offer we shouldn't even bother offering it? No matter what we offer content wise, let's face it there's over 3k active webmasters here, it's gonna get used and there's really no way around that.

[CrazySy]

Wow Wow Wow......... after waiting all this time for something "Bigger and Better" I woke up looking at 10 reality sites to promote :roll: What's bigger and better about this? Now all my niche specific traffic from all my free and avs sites will hit these sites? I have been promoting MOSTLY reality sites since they hit the market and truely can't see anything different here but lower payout. Oh well I will make a sale get the little reward points I have transfered then I'll hit the road. There are better reality sites If I want to promote 100% reality sites. Sorry to bitch but I was so disappointed waking up to such news.

[lazyz]

This is really the bitch thread...

Just to add my 2 cents...

I'm not impressed....

from the consumer side of the house:

The sites seem to suck - and I love porn both as a webmaster and a customer :wink:

Take this as it may be but from the "flash" page, there is nothing to get me excited before the join button... As a matter of fact, the member's only buttons stick out before anything else... I want some tease...

Now once you are inside, the damn next, next, next before you get to some really good stuff is fucked up. The movies are broken up...

Check out ABEN... You can view the entire movie by just scrolling accross the slider on the media player. No next page and everything is out there for you to choose. They have it down and they are a good example of what a movie site should look like.

Limited niche sites... (as a matter of fact, what niche?).... Some days I want teen, some days I want ebony, some days I want (well... you get the idea).

What choices of porn do I have?

I didn't come here to see cars.... I want lesbians, I want anal sex, I want boobs....

It is going to be very challenging selling this stuff to surfers if I can't buy off on it.

[Marc P]

I guess I am worried about one thing, not a real huge worry, I can always send my traffic elsewhere, but I really want to keep it here.

Like poorboy and many others, I specialize on search engine traffic, and I target people looking for movies in general.

What's the plan for this kind of traffic?

[Porn Meister]

Looks to me like every site features movies as part of it's model.. I mean almost all the promo is movies and movie trailers (check out the fucked for free episode 1 trailer, LOL!)

[LadyB]

For everyone that may lessen the amount of business they do with us now, there is 10 who may start.

I cant help but feel somewhat expendable here... :(


Fobiax

yeah, the light of a new day hasn't changed my feelings here either.

Very sad situation :(

[neticule2]

I too, am dissapointed. I too was keeping my hopes up before the change.

I tink the sites look much better then the old ones, thats the good part.

the bad parts, no niches. no niches. no niches. thats why the FMAO thing is going to be sucky for me and others, when your promote the niches and micro niches, your not sending 1000's of hits a day, your lucky to send a few hundred. my conversions for osme of the niches like bbw, hentai, legs and feet, were just amazing, like 1:30-1:70 most of the time, getting nearly 40cents per click to these niches was great, and i dont see how FMAO makes this all better by offering us 2-6cents a click or whatever it is.

and also, i agree with AAnarchyAA - i dont promote women as bitches, sluts, whores, etc, there just isnt much for me to send my stuff too. too many derogatory terms on these sites just puts me down.

i was hoping for a teen site to promote, but alas, no luck there.

[GatorB]

and also, i agree with AAnarchyAA - i dont promote women as bitches, sluts, whores, etc, there just isnt much for me to send my stuff too. too many derogatory terms on these sites just puts me down.

Sorry but if you're letting 7 strange men gangbang you anally and let them cum in your asshole and let it be filmed for people to jerk-off too then you're a slut, whore, bitch, etc. PERIOD

[neticule2]

just like i said, i dont promote that stuff. im not saying they are wrong in calling some of these women that, but i WANT A NORMAL SITE that touts their girls as beautiful, cute, and sexy, not whores, sluts, and bitches.

[AAnnAArchy]

Sorry but if you're letting 7 strange men gangbang you anally and let them cum in your asshole and let it be filmed for people to jerk-off too then you're a slut, whore, bitch, etc. PERIOD

Yeah, no one said those women weren't whores or sluts (no one but their friends and associates know whether or not they're bitches), but I don't promote that stuff. I don't like to see derogatory terms on sites I promote. What I want is a for women site w/o derogatory language and with a trial period. If anyone knows of ones other than MaxCash's (nothing against their site, I just already know about it), please let me know.

[Antxx]

Ok, i read everything until now. Like i said before, i think ARS will have to heavely rely on the champs program in the future. I don't see the rest as beeing proeminent for now... The launch is rather limited. The lack of niches is daunting, i can see this now...If you want reality sites, i think you could have done it by niches. A teen, lesbian, asian reality sites would have been great. For now, apart Milf searches their is no specific niches apart reality niche. I am worry about something tho...ARS 4 real concept looks a lot like Nastydollars, and there sites are extremely hard to convert now. I am not sure you can stick with reality sites for the long terms. You will have to do specific niche sites all over again, reality or not (My two cents). But maybe you see the Champs program for that explicit purpose...

One comment i do totally agree upon, is that you should have started the Champs before leaving GIM sites, so that webmasters have something to chew on. Easier said now, that we have all the evidence, but it would have helped greatly. I will not leave ARS, because of the champs program. The FMAO, well, i will tell you something: there is no money to be made in the pay-per-click model, and you will have to convince me otherwise, since to date i never see it profits for me on any other PPC model.

I do understand the need to change. I don't perceive those changes to be negative, but i think you will need to make some adjustments along the way.

[gideon]

For everyone that may lessen the amount of business they do with us now, there is 10 who may start.

I hope all the ass kissers and people who helped force webmasters to form a hopeful outlook that there may be a great thing coming from ARS read this post and really look hard at the quoted text from Marc De. That statement is basically a boastful claim. How dare a president of a company say that people who have worked with you for years and made your ass rich mean nothing because 10 others will take their place. Does anyone else see this as fucked up?

[Antxx]

For everyone that may lessen the amount of business they do with us now, there is 10 who may start.

I hope all the ass kissers and people who helped force webmasters to form a hopeful outlook that there may be a great thing coming from ARS read this post and really look hard at the quoted text from Marc De. That statement is basically a boastful claim. How dare a president of a company say that people who have worked with you for years and made your ass rich mean nothing because 10 others will take their place. Does anyone else see this as fucked up?

Marc made better comments than this before...maybe he didn't think this one through. That happens in a bitching type of thread...but that's one phrase he said. I am more interested in what ARS will/can offer than Marc De's attitude. Everyones are as big as their egos...no exception.

[Marc De]

gideon - my business decision was ABSOLUTELY made with our existing webmasters in mind. I also had longevity and substainability of our company in mind. It was not a slap in the fact and a statement to say we don't care. However, ARS RI is what it is, a reinvention. That means that we're BRAND new, if ARS is not what it was a week ago that is the POINT. The old ARS just didn't work, it was bass ackwards and I lost TONS of money from it! That is why everything new... My point is, if you wish to discontinue your business relationship with us (which I certainly hope is not the case) there are others that would like to start a new relationship with us.

I want to do business with every single webmaster and I believe that the fully developed ARS RI provides enough opportunity for everyone to do business with us. You can count on us SUPPORTING our webmasters, we always have done that and always will! You can also count on getting that check without hassle! :)