How many of us will be banned due to these changes?

[CarrieB]

This is a copy of a post I made on GG&J - I am putting it here so that the ARS folks can see (and hopefully address) my *serious* concerns that this move is going to result in a bunch of my domains being banned from LL/TGPs.

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I have been thinking about all of the galleries and free sites I have out there promoting specific ARS sites.
I can't simply switch these to another sponsor. There is specific text, promo graphics, even the overall "look" of the galleries and sites themselves built to match the site the traffic would be going to.

I have two options left...
1. Allow the traffic to get redirected to FMAO (which doesn't even have my niches), or
2. Remove those sites/galleries and put up a 404 page that hopefully will be able to refilter that traffic and send it to other sponsors' niched sites.

Either way, I'm facing domains getting banned. Option 1 leaves me with having "blind links" on my sites/galleries and the surfer isn't going where I said he'd go. Option 2 makes me look like a cheater.

The only hope I have at this point is that the sites/galleries are old enough that the LL/TGP scripts will simply delist my URL rather than ban me. What a risk, though.

What are the chances of the TGP/LL owners being a little more lenient than normal with these old ARS sites and galleries so that we don't get banned?
What are you guys with site-specific sites/galleries going to do? (Hopefully you've thought of something I haven't...)

[GatorB]

No that they are unaware, but if you are worried just e-mail the TGP/LL owner and tell them about the situation.

[jennym]

Hi Carrie,
As a LL owner, I would hope that nobody would be banned/blacklisted because of this. If a site I have listed stays up, and gets redirected to the new ARS stuff, I will probably leave it alone. If it goes 404, then I would remove the site, but not blacklist the submitter. Hopefully, most LL and TGP's would do something similar so the submitter does not get penalized for something not under their control.

[cosis]

I wouldn't worry to much about being banned, but yes it may be a good idea to email the tgp owner, although they are probably or will be aware of the ars changes soon enough

[LadyB]

I think the biggest problem there is with the tgp's that have scripts in place to detect any changes at all on the pages. An email to them is probably the best option, even though that'll be very time consuming :(

LL owners are usually pretty good about things like this though. I don't think they so much care if you swap out a sponsor.. they just don't want you adding a bunch of things to the sites.

[basschick]

i have no choice - i have to keep old traffic going to FMAO. the scripts will wipe years of galleries out the second i make a change. so i can't change them. i'd rather make a little something from FMAO than have all my galleries removed and make nothing. besides, if you make changes to so many, you really are risking blacklisting - it's almost a certainty that a couple sites at least will ban ya.

we're pretty much stuck.

[busty1]

I doubt anyone is going to blacklist you becuse ars has changed its format

[CarrieB]

If we leave the galleries up and the traffic gets redirected, the script will see that as a blind link and either de-list or ban us.

IE: I have a gallery specific to IndiaExposed. The colors, graphics, banners, text all say or are built around the look of that site. Most importantly, the links all say "IndiaExposed"...

Two weeks ago a surfer clicking on that link would get taken to IndiaExposed.
Two weeks from now a surfer clicking on that link will be taken to a generic search engine.

Blind link. Blind links usually mean bannings. :(

I do agree that it will be easier to manage with LLs, as they usually have real people reviewing the sites and looking over the error reports that their spider bots bring back in.
But I can't go emailing over 1,000 TGPs... heck I can't even remember all of them much less sit here and dig up contact info for them. Plus their scripts automatically look for and detect these changes, then either de-list or ban you. No human is involved, so there's no level of "mercy" or "understanding". Something has changed, you're banned. End of story. :(

[basschick]

busty1 - if you doubt that, you must not work galleries. make changes on a couple pages on the same tgp and you're history.

CarrieB - as long as our galleries don't say "enter" or something like that, we're not guilty of blind linking.

[Antxx]

What if ARS would address that concerns ? I mean put a page that state something like "We are sorry, we have changed our sites portefolio. The site you were trying to reach isn't available anymore. However we have some new sites to offer you. Click the link(s) below to be taken to our new sites" and this without any redirection, but exactely at the same URL. That makes a lot of html pages to place, but it could be the same page for all of them with a multisite display. And it would leave out the possibility of beeing banned, since the URL would stay the same and the wouldn't be a redirection unless the surfer actually change the page.

Isn't this a reasonnable solution for everyone ?

[MelodyClark]

This is really two different questions.

Most link list owners won't care.

Most TGP owners won't care.

However, most BIG TGP owners would rather just ban someone than go through all the trouble of making changes based on one webmaster's problem. Of course, this is a large number of webmasters, but some of the egocentric TGP owners won't care. They'll see it as "standing up" to big boy sponsors. :roll: There are exceptions, of course.

I'm going to change out my ads on my link sites. I don't have many TGP pages anymore, but I'll probably leave those I do have alone.

[busty1]

ARS is one of the largest programs in the adult industry I doubt any BIG tgps dont know about the change, of course you are more then welcome to disagree. I would think most tgps wouldnt be a problem.
LL though..... That is another story

[magus13]

the real problem is not the links, it is the promo material.

we all use graphics provided by GIM, licensed for use in promotion of GIM sites.

all those banners, all those FPAs all those program names will need to be replaced.

right Marc De/Becky?

[Marc De]

Your ads and text links going from a site to a list of sites that interest the surfer is NOT a blind link. A blind link is saying CLICK HERE FOR 1000 MORE FREE PICS and sending it to a sponsor. The ability of FMAO to monetize traffic is VERY good. I wouldn't necessarily be in a big rush to pull down links. You may be VERY pleased and surprised at FMAO's ability to make you money.

[Pawel]

the real problem is not the links, it is the promo material.

we all use graphics provided by GIM, licensed for use in promotion of GIM sites.

all those banners, all those FPAs all those program names will need to be replaced.

right Marc De/Becky?
I doubt it is the case.
I am definitely not going to replace any banners on my old galleries.